Can We Be Gay and Religious?

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Re: Can We Be Gay and Religious?

Postby Notorious » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:28 am

Tsumetai wrote:First of all, if my last post came across as rude, I'm sorry, but I have very little patience and am very blunt. BUT, you are a random dude on the internet, and you are wrong, therefore by law, I must correct you.


It's not that you corrected him; it's that you did it in a snotty way. I mean, does this give me license to correct the numerous punctuation errors in your post? I suggest you find a way to disagree with somebody that isn't as rude.

Peace and love, babe. ;)
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Re: Can We Be Gay and Religious?

Postby psychmajor » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:39 pm

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Re: Can We Be Gay and Religious?

Postby iheartgaymes » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:38 pm

Did you know that dolphins are just gay sharks?
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Re: Can We Be Gay and Religious?

Postby KTHN » Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:29 pm

iheartgaymes wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pope-ill-visit-but-i-dont-like-your-equality-laws-1885788.html

This is why I hate religion.


No, that's why you hate the pope. Or catholics at most.
You cannot say you hate religion in general because of the remarks of 1 old man that walks around in a dress.
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Re: Can We Be Gay and Religious?

Postby Raijen » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:19 am

A lot of posts on this thread deal with the Abrahamic faiths. It's a tricky area, because so many interpretations exist.

As for being gay and religious... Anything is possible. I myself find that spirituality makes more sense then religion, especially since the word "religion" comes from the Latin "religare", to bind together. I'm sure that one could take that in a positive way, but I always understood bondage to be a bad thing...

In a serious vein... There are several views on religion and spirituality, some accepting and inclusive of homosexual or bisexual orientation, others not so much. The choices we make in our belief systems (and yes, religious beliefs are a choice... Unlike our attractions) are just that, choices, and the problem with beliefs are that they are based in emotion, not logic or reasoning.

That's not to say belief is a bad thing, just that it is a tool that is used, either for good ( beliefs that foster goodness and edification of humanity) or bad (destruction of humanity, control of weak-minded individuals).

With that said, I do believe that it is more than possible to be gay and religious. It's a bit self-evident; I've spoken with several gay guys who come from religious households (which raises the question, does God make us gay? ;) ), and several of them still hold religious beliefs.

Perhaps the more important question one should ask is whether the beliefs one holds are helpful or harmful. The beliefs we hold are reflective of the type of person we are. What type of people are we?
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Re: Can We Be Gay and Religious?

Postby Lex » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:39 pm

As for myself, yes, I believe it's possible and in fact, I don't see much problem or doubts about a gay person who has his/her spirituality, which, for me, is something really personal, therefore, you decide if that's right or wrong for you. If your religion or spirituality or philosophy (or anyway you want to call it) works well and brings good things to you, that's your path. That also works for people who believe in Science or who is Aghnostic or Atheist, or Satanist or Anything else. Everyone has his own way to follow.
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Re: Can We Be Gay and Religious?

Postby Etheric » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:51 pm

I thought about this post because I saw online a thread of some kind with people, generally men from what I gathered, stating how they wanted to "stop being gay." All the posts talked about how being gay was causing them frustration or destroying their lives and how it only got worse as they tried to stave it off. The common factor? All of these posts seemed to be from people who were evangelical or born-again type Christians. In fact, many of them felt like being gay was ruining them and keeping them away from God/heaven.

It was so sad, and it reminded me of how much someone else's beliefs about us effects us, especially if we accept it as our own. I feel terrible that these guys are putting themselves through that, and that their loved ones are probably contributing. I don't mean to single out evangelical Christianity, it just happened that that is where these posts were coming from and, from my experience, that is where the primary homophobic force in America comes from.

I read somewhere earlier hear that it was bad if you pick and choose what you believe from something, that it was bad because it meant your beliefs or religion were arbitrary. The thing about that is, that's exactly what religion is: an arbitrary system we construct/use to better understand and relate to our common world. Everything about beliefs is picked and chosen; even believing nothing is a belief we choose. If we adopt the system of thought our families had we still do so of our own will, whether or not we are consciously cognizant of it, and it will always play out differently for each person. There are as many different religions in the world as there are people in it. Yes, you can be gay and religious (although if you are gay and hold anti-gay beliefs, then that obviously has a negative effect, see above).

Raijen wrote:Perhaps the more important question one should ask is whether the beliefs one holds are helpful or harmful. The beliefs we hold are reflective of the type of person we are. What type of people are we?


Lex wrote:If your religion or spirituality or philosophy (or anyway you want to call it) works well and brings good things to you, that's your path.


I like these statements, and I think it's easy to lose sight of that when we are healing from past abuses. It seems some of us, myself included, still harbor anger, hurt, or anxiety about 'organized religion,' and I know from experience it definitely slants our perspective. But we can't let our own anger, hurt or anxiety dictate how we interact with others or lump people into mental groups, lest we become the people who angered or hurt us to begin with.

In the end, like law, I think it's more important that we try to follow the spirit of religion rather than any particular letter of it, and I think the above sentiments are good ways of doing so.
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