Story time!

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Story time!

Postby Feroz » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:40 pm

All right--this one's probably going to a be a bit long (though hopefully not too long), but I'd like to fill all of you in on where I'm at in coming out and ask for some advice. So here we go!

As I said in another thread, I first realized I was attracted to other guys when I was 12, courtesy of a rather attractive video game character. Having been raised in a very devout Mormon family my entire life, this blew my pre-teen mind, and I quickly hopped into the closet and slammed the door shut. I turned to religion to solve my 'problem'--I prayed, read scriptures, read church materials... the whole shebang. Needless to say, none of that really worked out (no matter how much I prayed about it, I just couldn't help but crush on Riley... :P ); hence I ended up with an awful bout of depression for about three years.

However, things started to change when I was sixteen. I worked at Toys R Us at the time, and as I passed by a lady and her friend shopping for Barbies, I overheard their conversation. One of them mentioned to the other how she shouldn't buy some pink toy she was holding in her hand for her son (not a Barbie toy, though I can't recall what it was), joking that it would turn him gay. This lady then turned to her friend and promptly informed her that being gay is completely natural, biologically determined, and that she would perfectly okay with it if her son did end up that way.

I know it's insignificant, but that remark really changed the way I thought about life. Up until that point, I had only thought of being gay as a sinful, horrible thing caused by Satan himself--yet here was a stranger with a far more reasonable assertion. I mulled over that conversation for a while, finally realizing that I'm gay, there's nothing I can do about it, and moping about life will just make things suck.

...but that realization didn't stop me from making my life suck for another year and half as I reatreated further into the closet. The next year, I was applying for colleges as a senior. I applied to a few--Stanford, Harvard, and BYU. I know that they're kind of strange choices, but BYU was my backup plan and things were going well with my Harvard application; in fact, the guy who interviewed me during the whole admissions process said he would give me the highest recommendation possible. Unfortunately, I didn't make it in to either Harvard or Stanford, and I ended up at BYU during the media frenzy that was Prop 8.

All of the pro-8 posters, speeches by professors, and talks in church got to me within the first two weeks of school. I reached a new low. I mulled around there for another week or two, keeping my head down and generally hating life when I came to the realization that I needed to tell someone, get this weight off my shoulders, and start living again.

I decided to tell my best friend from high school, a girl named (for this story, at least) Ashley. Now, I knew that she'd had a big crush on me since high school, but I reasoned that she would value our friendship more than any crush. I now realize that wasn't exactly the best move on my part, but I digress. I came out to her, and she didn't take it nearly as well as I'd hoped. Things were rocky for a long, long time--in fact, only in this past September has she finally accepted that I'm gay and been totally okay with it.

Anyhow, her mini-meltdown left me desperate for more people to talk to. I also wanted to give Ashley some people to talk to, to figure things out with. Hence I told three more friends. One of them took it well, though to the point of being overbearingly caring about me, and the other two flipped out. One of them sent me several text messages a day for the next week about why being gay is a sin, and the opinions of her family and friends on why people are gay while the other just stopped talking to me for a long while.

That's when I found the GBL Forum and started to post there. Though I was never terribly active, it gave me a chance to talk a bit with other gay people and see what they were really like. It helped me tremendously.

A few more incidental comings-out and one school year later, I was staying with my parents at the end of May, as I was in-between apartment contracts. I was alone in the room with my mom one night when she asked me why I wasn't an elder yet (That's a calling in the Mormon church. Generally men become a elders when they're 18, but I didn't, for obvious reasons). I didn't want to lie, so I merely pushed her question aside with a non-answer. However, a couple of hours and a few probing questions from her later, I found myself coming out to my mom much to my surprise.

After telling her my story and talking for a good while, I told her she could talk to my dad if she wished, and she did the next day. My parents then wanted me to go to a therapist recommended by Evergreen International, a group which professes to 'cure' gays, which I declined. They also asked me to go on a mission (in the Mormon church, 19 year old men are sent to various areas of the world to preach for two years), which I declined. Since then, they haven't discussed the issue at all apart from constant requests that I go on a mission. It's putting tremendous strain on our relationship.

This all brings us to early last week, when I finally came out to my brother. After I told him, he did nothing--he didn't look at me, cry, or even move a muscle. All he did was think for a moment, and ask "When did you come to this conclusion?" I told him my story, and at the end, all he said was "I know this sounds hypocritical, but all I ask is that you stay close to the church." I asked him if he had any more question, as everyone else I've come out to has asked me things for an hour or so; he said no. He then told me I'm his brother and he'll always love me--I told him he can go ahead and talk to his wife about it if he wants, and that our parents also already know if he wants to talk to them.

Anyhow, that brings us to today. I haven't talked to my brother since then, which is odd given that we usually talk at least twice a week. I want to talk to him about it, but I don't know if the time is right or if he'll even listen to anything that I have to say. My parents are coming up for a birthday dinner for him and his wife this Saturday, so I'll see him then; in the interim, I'm just worried that I've now effectively alienated everyone in my family.

Whew! Didn't expect to type that much. Sorry if the story is disjointed or if it has a couple of typos, as this was a stream-of-consciousness post. :P Anyhow, that's pretty much my story up through now. Any advice on my family situation?
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Re: Story time!

Postby Nomenclature » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:50 pm

That wasn't that long of a post. I naturally read fast anyway, so it didn't take me too long to read. :p

As far as the family situation: The only thing I can suggest is to give them all time. Everyone will accept you - or not accept you, for that matter - in their own way, and in their own time.

It's good that they all know, because you won't have to sneak behind their back and wind up doing something stupid, but it still may not be a good idea to say, bring your boyfriend to Thanksgiving dinner. I'm glad your brother accepts you and still loves you, as me and my brother now don't even speak to each other, and he has no problems whatsoever telling other people how he really feels about me.

The semi-anonymity of the internet can sometimes be a great way to come to terms with being gay, and to get support. Feel free to bump this thread any time you need to talk about it, or give us any updates on your situation.

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Re: Story time!

Postby psychmajor » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:38 pm

I really hope your brother comes around. I know losing the closeness with my family was a big fear I had before coming out. Conservative religions can definitely color a person's judgment, but he will hopefully realize that his love for you shouldn't change because God still loves you. I hope your parents and he will continue to have an open dialog with you and they will choose to accept that which you had no choice to be. That's about as poetic as I'm going to try to get :P . I'm with Nomenclature on this, keep posting as long as you need to. HUGS! :D
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Re: Story time!

Postby Connie » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:20 pm

I am so proud of you!

It is a really hard thing to let people know the real you, but you took the first step. Good for you!

Given their involvement in the church, your family may struggle with accepting that your gay. Give them time to get through this.

It doesn't sound like you have much of a real life support system, so post here if you need to vent. We will give you love and understanding.

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Re: Story time!

Postby gadgetfreak84 » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:59 pm

Thank you for sharing your coming out story. :)
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Re: Story time!

Postby Feroz » Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:19 am

All right, time for an update--I've been busy. :D

So the first person I told has finally come 'round and fully gotten the hang of things. She's now fine with me commenting on cute guys, the whole shebang--I mean, I'm not flamboyant or anything, but I can just be myself around her. It's real nice. We've fixed things up, and I can honestly say she's my best friend once more.

On the immediate family front, nothing's changed since my coming out to all of 'em. They all dance around the topic of gay people most of the time, which is frustrating. On the rare occasion that gays do come up in conversation, no one hesitates to say rather unpleasant things about them. It's like they've all conveniently forgotten that I'm one of those "militant gays" they love to hate. I don't really know what to do here; bringing it up again would be like a second coming-out, and God knows the first time was hard enough. I don't want to do all of that again. It sucks.

As for the rest of my friends, things are going pretty well. I've lost a couple, but I'm finally good with that by now. I've also finally worked up the moxie to change my "looking for" section on my Facebook profile to "men", and all of my friends who aren't extended family or co-workers of mine can see it. I know it's a pretty subtle method, but I don't want to shove it down anyone's throat in some dramatic note-post. I have other friends who've done that, and they've all gone a bit off the deep end afterwards (read: getting rather ostentatious boyfriends within a week, suddenly posting statuses about "cute outfits", etc.). I don't want to be associated with that, hence my method. Hopefully I won't have much fallout from my few BYU friends.

Anyways, that's where I stand right now. Any advice on my family situation? I could really use some help.
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Re: Story time!

Postby psychmajor » Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:08 pm

My advice to you is just be honest with your family. If they offend you or hurt your feelings when they say negative and bigoted comments about gay people. A lot of times, families that aren't accepting of gay people try to pretend they don't have a gay family member after the person comes out. Don't let them do this to you. I know you don't want to rock the boat, but you can't let them go into denial either.

You want to be close to your family. Well, in order to do that, they have to be comfortable with all of you. Therefore, talk with your siblings about who you're attracted to. Talk to your parents about how your life is as a gay man and how and why it hurts you when they make their comments. Stand up for yourself as an equal member of your family. Your their child and their brother who happens to be gay. Make sure they know that.

I hope it helps and its not too preachy :P
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Re: Story time!

Postby Feroz » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:56 am

Thanks, psychmajor, and no, you weren't being too preachy. It's good advice, and I'll be taking it. hopefully it works out.

So I'm sorry to keep my somewhat dead thread clinging to life, but I'm seriously playing with the idea of posting a note on Facebook concerning my being gay. I want to do this so that I don't have to deal with the garbage of coming out to everyone face-to-face; I've told all of my closest friends, and I'm ready for this to be common knowledge. I figure the best way to do it is a note like this.

I know, posting a note can be a bit in-your-face, but I'm -hoping- that this note shows people that this isn't a groundbreaking change or anything; it's just something I want on the table. Anyhow, here's the draft of the text:
So I just wanted to let everyone in on my little secret: I’m gay.

And no, I’m not kidding.

I guess this is the part where I’m supposed to talk about how different I’ve always felt and relate my troubled history to all of you. At least, that’s what I would do if that were my story. As it stands, I’ve had a pretty good life, and no, I’ve never felt terribly different from all the other guys. Being gay doesn’t define me, and it hasn’t had much of an impact in determining my life’s course.

Now, you might be wondering why I bothered posting this in the first place, making this whole shebang so public. Truth be told, I’m just tired of holding this all in. Telling people on a face-to-face basis is completely draining in every possible meaning of the word, and I’m sick of dealing with that. I know I could be more discreet and let people on slowly, but I’m tired of playing the waiting game, hoping all of you will look at my ‘interested in’ on my profile or outright ask me--I want this off my chest, hence the note.

That’s really all that I have to say. I’d like to address a few questions before they come up, though, so here goes my best attempt at guessing things on your guys’ minds.

1—No, my standing at BYU won’t be affected by this. It isn’t against the honor code to be gay; it’s against the honor code to date/hold hands with/whatever with guys, which I won’t be doing. I signed the honor code, and I will keep it; it’s as simple as that.

2—I’m still an active member in good standing with the church. I don’t plan on changing that any time soon. That said, I honestly don’t know where the future will take me; it still remains to be seen if I’m going to end up an old, single hermit or not. But that’s an adventure all on its own, I suppose. Regardless, I won’t be leaving the church by personal choice; it’s a wonderful organization that I strongly believe in.

3—No, I won’t start to wear flip-flops everywhere. Or capris. I won't start talking with a lisp, I won't start listening to Britney Spears--I think you get the point.

…and that’s all I can really anticipate. So if you have any questions, feel free to send me a message. I’ll answer just about anything you’d like to ask.


Its a bit off-kilter, but that's just the way I am. I think its serious enough to convey my point, but still light-hearted enough to keep things decidedly un-dramatic. Anyhow, what do you guys and gals think? I'm up for any input you might have.

EDIT: I forgot one detail: this note will be visible to all my friends who do not have ties to the few extended family members I'm friends with that I haven't told and my coworkers.
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Re: Story time!

Postby Rich » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:07 am

I came out in a sort of similar way. Kind of. I changed my orientation on myspace (Facebook was still reserved for snotty college students at the time), which sounds like something that didn't work for you. It's a little less obvious on facebook. I'm in favor of posting the note and approve of it's content. :)
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Re: Story time!

Postby Feroz » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:16 pm

Well, I posted it last night--I'm officially out. :D

I'll admit that the few comments it got were pretty muted, but a few were real nice. I'm sure things will be interesting for the next while with BYU firiends and the like, but I don't really care; I'm just glad to have it out there. Woohoo!
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